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This article confirms that this flag is from sometime in 1946. That means that its copyright in Malaysia extended until at least 31 December 1996. Since this work was still copyrighted on the URAA date of 1 January 1996, it is still copyright in the US. Freedom4U (talk) 04:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep There is no evidence of threshold of originality in Malaysia, so this logo is ineligible for copyright. --2001:4452:152:2600:549A:7BE:31C5:B6B0 04:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What does this even mean? Of course Malaysia has a threshold of originality, you can't have copyright law without it. Within Malaysia, since they use the common law system as a former British colony, we can assume they apply the restrictive British TOO. In the US (which is the applicable nation here, since it's out of copyright in Malaysia), this also more than likely falls above the TOO.[1] Freedom4U (talk) 05:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This logo is too complex to have copyright protection. If you want to discuss about symbols, see Commons:Village pump/Copyright. 2001:4452:152:2600:549A:7BE:31C5:B6B0 05:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This logo is too complex to have copyright protection. I'm sorry? Freedom4U (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The flag depicted with kris is almost ineligible for copyright protection for silhouette design. 2001:4452:152:2600:549A:7BE:31C5:B6B0 05:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Keep British copyright cannot apply in Malaysia as the cut off date was on 7 April 1956 for West Malaysia where UMNO was created, and the British Copyright, Designs and Patents Act was made in 1988. The copyright law that governs anything in Malaysia, including what was formerly the Federated Malay States, would use the Malaysian Copyright Act 1987. Under Copyright Act 1987, this file falls under public domain as it was created circa 1946, over 50 years before today. The kris is a symbol based on a weapon that has been designed centuries ago (even used as a cultural symbol for a long time), which means there's no threshold of originality even under US law, comparable to the Yin-Yang symbol or Fleur de Lis as they are historically common designs. EmpAhmadK (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree the flag is currently in the public domain in Malaysia (my point was simply that it was eligible for copyright in Malaysia, a point brought up in the previous discussions linked here). The Keris, as depicted, is not a common shape or symbol like the Yin Yang or the Fleur de Lis. This depiction contains irregular sharp corners, curves and other features that contain the modicum of creativity to protect the work in the United States.[2] Freedom4U (talk) 16:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe the Keris symbol ineligible for copyright protection in the US as an abstract isotype. For example, according to this infographic, showing how the "threshold of originality" varies by region, it depicts an abstract "Wilbur" isotype can be protected in Austria, UK and other "skill and labour" countries, but the exception in the US. 201.217.246.212 01:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ↑ For example, the Juneteenth flag [1] is also above the US TOO and is similar in complexity.
  2. ↑ See, for example, the ruling on the Stitch Design logo for Cooperstown Vodka (decision).
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