Commons:Deletion requests/File:UMNO logo.svg

File:UMNO logo.svg

UMNO was founded in 11 May 1946. While I couldn't find an original publication date for this work, assuming it was made in 1946 or later, the copyright of this work extended until at least 31 December 1996 in Malaysia. That means that this work was copyrighted on the URAA date of 1 January 1996, making it still copyright in the US. Perhaps it could be moved to Malay Wikipedia if they have local uploads. Freedom4U (talk) 04:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep URAA does not apply to logos, even there is no copyright restrictions in the US per Commons:Threshold of originality. --2001:4452:152:2600:549A:7BE:31C5:B6B0 04:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  The URAA applies to all works which can be copyrighted in the US, specifically it does not make an exception for logos. It does not cover works that cannot be copyright in the US, but I seriously doubt this can be considered below the US threshold of originality. Freedom4U (talk) 05:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  It's unsure to have URAA-protection to have threshold of originality in logos, emblems, and other symbols. There is situation in Malaysia, it remains unsure. If you want to discuss about URAA in flags, emblems, logos and others, see Commons:Village pump/Copyright. 2001:4452:152:2600:549A:7BE:31C5:B6B0 05:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas (born 1931) is the creator of UMNO's official logo. According to source, he design UMNO's logo during teenage for his uncle Dato'Onn Jaafar (founder of UMNO), that's about 1940-an. And UMNO owned the right of their party logo like other organization done. And the copyright has been expired in Malaysia but they still own the right as a trademark. That's another story.--白布飘扬 (talk) 06:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  @白布飘扬 That source only states that he designed it as a teenager. That means he could have designed it anywhere from 1944 to as late as 1950. It doesn't evidence that this work was public domain by 1996. Freedom4U (talk) 06:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  Oh and Malaysian copyright is life+50 years, so now that an author has been identified and confirmed as still alive, this is clearly still copyright in both Malaysia and the US. Freedom4U (talk) 06:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think he still reserves the copyright but it has been donated to UMNO since the party formed. That's why less document mention his name about the logo history.-- 白布飘扬 (talk) 10:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  @白布飘扬: But there is no consensus about URAA on flags, symbols, and logos. Perhaps, this symbol depicts a Islamic calligraphy-like symbols, for example, the shahada and tughra. In Malaysia, the threshold of originality for organizational logos or symbols are currently unsure. 2001:4452:152:2600:75FD:A8E4:FCD3:969 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  @白布飘扬: I would also request to keep for Commons:Deletion requests/File:UMNO (Malaysia).svg. 2001:4452:152:2600:75FD:A8E4:FCD3:969 10:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

 Keep The logo is a calligraphy, spelling out the letters ف ک م ب, an abbreviation of فرتوبوهن کبڠساءن ملايو برساتو, which is United Malays National Organisation in Malay. It is textual and not eligible for copyright similar to signatures. EmpAhmadK (talk) 02:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I hadn't considered that it was a calligraphy. Image should then be kept then since lettering can't be copyright unless they are numerous enough and their selection and arrangement original enough that their combination constitutes an original work of authorship. Freedom4U (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe the Keris symbol ineligible for copyright protection in the US as an abstract isotype. For example, according to this infographic, showing how the "threshold of originality" varies by region, it depicts an abstract "Wilbur" isotype can be protected in Austria, UK and other "skill and labour" countries, but the exception in the US. 201.217.246.212 01:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)